Gallery 3.0 Beta 3 Feedback

Serge D
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Posted: Sat, 2009-10-24 07:45

Sorry for the long post...

People put a lot of effort into testing and trying move things from G2 into G3.
When I am providing feedback it is not just "individual perceived needs" we are talking about. I am a tester which doing usual stuff with G3 (yes I saw a disclaimer, but it was reply to my post, so this "was a put off for me" as well).

We are trying to test, we are trying to adopt. Yes, we are in beta and there is a lot of things which could be changed.

We talked about big effort into compressing CSS, JS to make things faster and then we kill performance with JS overuse.
We are talking about how easy use and customization should be and we are not looking into simple wireframes for the general layouts and relying on some tools to glue together some forms for us. Some forms could be build with half size of the markup... And if only it was consistent across the board, then it would be fine... but all the forms even though they are generated by the tool, are different inside, and then we are hacking our way through the template to adjust it further... with JS...

It is hard to use current theme engine and even simple steps sometimes are not obvious. And then we are digg to much it start fall appart...
I think problem present at this time is that instead of going from simple to complex (which seems to be true for the core of G3 (good work there!!!), you introduced a lot of complexity on visualisation level.

Instead of relying for everything on JS (well, are we trying to build JS-Gallery? then there is a different approach to take then. We do not even need PHP for most part then.) why not start from base elements.
Forget JS, jQuery, start with pure HTML/CSS. There would come a speed.

Then goes question of using <ul>s... Yes, if it was true that it is used everywhere, then I would not have a problem.
As I mentioned, and somehow it become "my needs", while general forms are seems to be that way (I themed them with a few CSS declarations, forms which are related to album/item operations are not following the same paradigm and from look at things, each has its own flavour. Yes, with JS it would be easy to finetune them, but why we need to do that?

As far as creating my own fork... check my theme, it is complete rework of default theme. I am taking alternative approach already. But I do not want override 80% of the markup... and I do not see a pressing need redesign core functionality... I am trying to build visual layer on top of the core. And I have put quite a few hours into it... hey, its fun! Unfortunatelly, we do not have clear MVVM at this time and as a result there is a lot of influence of core onto the presentation.

G3 is a good product by idea, but it is not polished. If G3 is to be released today, I, personally, would go back to G2 and look from the side, sorry. After tonight, I have started to work on the port of G3 theme into G2... much easier to do...

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Posted: Sat, 2009-10-24 17:03

@Serge D: we'd love to do as you ask, and we will eventually. But we have to first focus on making it work. We are not going to make any major direction changes between now and the final product because we'd like to actually release this sometime soon. After 3.0, we'll consider making more radical changes. So the more you help us get 3.0 out the door, the sooner we can work on the stuff you'd like to see in 3.1. This means that instead of suggesting radically different approaches, you work with us on our current approach. Right now we have 2 active developers (thumb, talmdal), one more who's been pretty busy at work (me) and one who's on vacation for a while (valiant). We can't make any major alterations to our approach and hope to have a product any time soon.
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Posted: Sat, 2009-10-24 19:35

Ok, now that is practical suggestion.
I know you overwhelmed with stuff and I am trying to work around it.

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Posted: Sun, 2009-10-25 00:37

Thanks Serge. We *really* appreciate the effort you've contributed to the project and are not by any means trying to turn you away.
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Posted: Tue, 2009-10-27 02:44
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The performance is similar on 200 image album and 1700 image album divided by 200 images per page. Album with 1000 images per page take forever to load. Mostly more images per page cause longer delay. The worst is that Firefox freezes during JS execution. Chrome act slightly better, but still badly.

I suspect your server. I just got 1112 photos uploaded into an album. Whether or not I'm logged in and if there's 200 or 1000 thumbs per page the pages load fast, the only slow down is trying to download that many images. My server doesn't even break a sweet. Load is 0 at the start and load is 0 at the end of loading the page serving up 200 or 1000 images. That's running Apache or Lighttpd (I tested both).

Firefox consumes about 50% of my processor while it's loading the page for either 200 or 1000 images, if I'm logged in or not.

I don't know what sort of access you have on your server, but I'd take a look there or try G3 on a different server where you can look at those sorts of stats.

m-d-d, are you using the latest experimental code?

http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Upgrading

nivekiam, I am using beta 3. My home server has a lot of resources and load is close to 0 while accessing gallery 3. Server is connected with desktop by 1GB link. The problems start only if I am logged as admin and have access to all the JS menus under images. JS is killing my old desktop terminal (P4 3.2GHz @ 2GB memory). Problem is not on server side at all. It is mostly the theme design and long JS execution time.

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Posted: Tue, 2009-10-27 03:09
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It is mostly the theme design and long JS execution time.

There was some discussion, at the G3 sprint, on creating a very minimalist G3 theme, but jobs and other bits of life get in the way. I'm sure there will be other themes that come from the community that might reduce client resource requirements and AJAX feel.

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clindsey

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Posted: Tue, 2009-10-27 03:41

I've noticed recently that the default theme has some issues in Internet Explorer 8. I tried out the trunk of the default theme, and that caused even more problems with styling. The issue I'm having is that the square blocks for the albums or pictures jump around when you move the cursor over them. Is there any way you can release a bugfix for the default theme (or a tagged release that works in Internet Explorer, or simply a CSS file that works)? A small fix here would help out a lot.

Thank you to the developers, I know all the developers are overworked and underappreciated. Gallery 3 looks great.

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Posted: Tue, 2009-10-27 03:52

clindsey,
please read the entire thread. This issue has been addressed.

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Posted: Tue, 2009-10-27 04:51

@ m-d-d

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JS is killing my old desktop terminal (P4 3.2GHz @ 2GB memory).

Don't use IE :) ALL versions of IE totally blow on JS heavy sites (gmail for example) I'm running Firefox against that same album I posted about before on lesser hardware than you and I'm not having any problems at all on my desktop. Well other than FF is consuming 900MB of memory because I've had 100+ tabs open for a couple of days now (I really need to restart this thing). I'd take a serious look at the add-ons you have installed and disable ALL of them, then see how things go. Also if you're using ANY Symantec or McAfee product, DON'T. :)

I don't disagree that there is a lot of JS, but right now the only option is to create a new theme or wait until someone creates a lighter theme. Serge D has already come a long way in doing just that.
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Serge D
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Posted: Tue, 2009-10-27 14:23

I would like to invite people having high volume of pictures to test my theme to determine if JS IS the issue here.
Notice that you need to import photos from G2 or using default theme first and switch using GreyDragon theme since I am not supporting admin context menu in full at this time.

Please let me know if you see the same result as with default theme or what is your improvement rate.

Theme is available here http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Themes:greydragon
Discussion thread - http://gallery.menalto.com/node/91519

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clindsey

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Posted: Tue, 2009-10-27 15:09
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clindsey,
please read the entire thread. This issue has been addressed.

Dave

Floridave, thanks for the quick reply. I apologize for bringing this up again since it looks to be fixed already. I completely missed those discussions earlier in this thread, so again, sorry. I will test out the experimental version. Thanks for help.

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Posted: Tue, 2009-10-27 19:55

@clindsey I've been in the middle of a major updates to G3's CSS in wind, admin_wind, and the gallery.common.css sheet. Unfortunately I haven't been doing a good job of testing IE during the process. IE 7 and 8 will be fixed before the next release and I'll be more careful so as not to break thing there when we get into release candidates.

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Posted: Tue, 2009-10-27 19:57

Ahh, nice, no worries then :)

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Serge D
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Posted: Wed, 2009-10-28 01:33

Comments about latest git (before I dig any further):

a) <?= $theme->script("jquery-ui.js") ?> is now required because in users module JS needs .widgets extension... more js... is it really needed?
b) login_ajax.html.php moved from user module into gallery and no longer could be customized by the theme. Is it intentional?

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Posted: Wed, 2009-10-28 01:45
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b) login_ajax.html.php moved from user module into gallery and no longer could be customized by the theme. Is it intentional?

Just to put my vote in to fixing this...

I rely on being able to customize this... To get rid of the ul's and li's and the password reminder feature.

Also, with regards to the jquery-ui... serge have you tried doing optional script entries in your theme depending on logged in status.. I.e. if you are not logged in as an admin then you don't need half the Javascript that's installed (well that was the case in beta3). Also when not logged in at all, I'd question whether you even need the menu bar which reduces css and js down a lot for 90% of your site visitors. Personally, I've set it up so that the menu bar only appears if you are an admin.

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Posted: Wed, 2009-10-28 02:47

@Serge D: I can still override login_ajax.html.php just fine. I'm using the wind theme. I copied modules/gallery/views/login_ajax.html.php to themes/wind/views/login_ajax.html.php, edited it, and my change showed up when I used the login link.
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Serge D
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Posted: Wed, 2009-10-28 05:49

@glooper: as it was said before, dev team is using some gen tools to create dialogs... see my big complain above :)
I have no problem with reminder feature, but I do not see real reason in using jQuery to attach the click to it. Could be just a link...
As far as jQuery ui. As I mentioned, user module's js would complain about it if not present. I do not see a reason for js being invoked until dilaog is up, but it is just my view...
My theme at this point only references directly 5 scripts: jQuery core, shadowbox and Piclens. I have no need for anything else since majority is done with CSS (including all the menus).
I do not show any menus until user is logged in.

@bharat: now it works... only change I made was to add <? if (identity::is_writable()): ?> in it...

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Serge D
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Posted: Wed, 2009-10-28 16:05

General proposal with priority -1000 for release 3.x... but would be good to get users feedback on...

Let's replace all operations related dialogs back to be simple pages.
It was cool at some point use modal dialog panels, and but history shows that simple pages are back... (see history of WordPress)...
Standalone pages are easy to customize and maintain, usually no overhead with JS, still can use Ajax. Yes, there is page reload involved, but then handling become much easier, so it is good
Operations are rare things, and being rare are not a "speed issue".

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Posted: Thu, 2009-10-29 08:13
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o Deleting an album takes a while but there's no indication that any activity is going on, and in fact the Delete button remains clickable while it's happening.

The delete request shouldn't take long, it doesn't on my system. But the fact that it remains clickable is a known issue.

Did you try to delete an album with subalbums and about 10000 pics? I agree on the fact that it should have some indication that it's doing something

And one other question:

Is mySQL the only option for DB, I installed pre-RC and it never even asked which DB to connect to

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Posted: Thu, 2009-10-29 12:28

MySQL is the only option for DB. The only supported platform for G3 is:

Apache 2.2 or newer
MySQL 5 or newer
PHP 5.2.3 or newer
Linux
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Posted: Thu, 2009-10-29 19:14

Bug: I do not know if it was reported already, but RSS or link provided for Cooliris from the main page is not correct causing CI not be able display the pictures.

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Posted: Thu, 2009-10-29 19:24

@ Serge D, I'm not able to duplicate this using code pulled just a few minutes ago. Update your code and see if you are still having this issue, it may have been resolved already.

I do know what you're talking about as I had observed the same behavior, but hadn't had time to gather more info.
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Posted: Fri, 2009-10-30 07:09
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MySQL is the only option for DB.

Ok, that's nice to know. I'd prefer PostgreSQL, shame to see it's support gone.

Is WebDAV going to be supported?

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Posted: Fri, 2009-10-30 12:45

Someone would need to write a module for WebDAV.

There is also someone working on PostgreSQL support. I don't know what the status of it is but here are a couple threads where it's been discussed on the -devel mailing list:

http://www.nabble.com/Getting-rid-of-reserved-SQL-words-tt24625127.html#a24625127
http://www.nabble.com/G3-over-PgSQL-%3A-it-works-!-tt23423487.html#a23433252
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Posted: Fri, 2009-10-30 17:27

W3C validation (if you are using FF, please install HTML validator):

1. $theme->photo_menu produces incorrect output - empty ID

Quote:
<a id="" class="g-menu-link g-fullsize-link"

2. Comments block - empty span

Quote:
<span class="ui-icon ui-icon-comment"></span>

and empty <ul>

Quote:
<ul> </ul>

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talmdal

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Posted: Fri, 2009-10-30 19:27

Thanks for pointing that out, but at the moment, its just easier to leave empty spans or or ul's than put a lot of special code to remove them.

There are a couple of open tickets about that, so it would make more sense to report it there, than here.

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hebhansen

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 11:57

Installed (clean) the beta3. For some reason I got log'ed out. Tried logging in but got rejected. Repeated a couple of times and finally requested new pass.

I recieved mail:
We received a request to reset your password for http://www.mysite.com/. If you made this request, you can confirm it by clicking this link. If you didn't request this password reset, it's ok to ignore this mail.

I clicked the link and tried logging in. Same thing so to say. Requested new pass again and recieved an EMPTY mail, no content.

This is the admin account and I am now wondering if I have tomake another clean install. No so nice, when the site is heavily set up..

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hebhansen

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 12:03

I add'ed a couple of empty albums. It seems that the first (top left) album sticks and behaves. Where album 2 floats around as it feels like???

This ia also the case at lower levels (embedded albums)

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hebhansen

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 12:30

Did a clean install for the 3'rd time and I cannot login

New Beta 3 and new DB ...????

ie8

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hebhansen

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 12:56

Managed to login using chrome as opposed to ie???

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 17:54

@hebhansen: use git (experimental) version instead

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 16:35

hebhansen You can get the current, experiential code here: http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery3:Upgrading

There have been many fixes and updates since B3 was released including some of the problems you're having. If you are still having problems, please post a thread in the G3 forums: http://gallery.menalto.com/forum and post a link to your phpinfo:
FAQ: How do I create a phpinfo page?
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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 18:07

Git from few days ago: after updating code and refreshing G3 from G2, g-metadata on album page (<?= $theme->thumb_info($child) ?>) is no longer populated... simply empty... anyone else experiencing this?

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 18:31

git from this morning and it popuplates for me. I added that above my thumbs in wind/views/album.html.php and it works:

  <? foreach ($children as $i => $child): ?>
<?= $theme->thumb_info($child) ?>
    <? $item_class = "g-photo"; ?>
    <? if ($child->is_album()): ?>
      <? $item_class = "g-album"; ?>
    <? endif ?>

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 18:50

Thanks! It did in the past for me as well...
Ok, will dig further...

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hebhansen

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 22:07

RSS feeds work fine in IE. In Chrome only the XML code is shown.... Not sure if this is a Gallery Issue or a Chrome Issue.

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hebhansen

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 22:13

Thanks - I will try the later git. Meanwhile I got beta3 working again and did significant work. In the present setup.

Upgrading is that a dump on top of current installation. Any files needs saving in order to preserve. I am thinking of config-files, database login etc. If yes, wich ones is it?

Thanks a lot

In general - very very nice work on the G3 so far. Easy, fast, smooth and does what is expected of a lean mean web gallery. Thanks guys!

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hebhansen

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 22:16

Sorry - the upgrading process is described well in your above link. Hopefully that works :-)

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hebhansen

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 23:25

After doing the above upgrade to the latest .git I get this when trying to access Theme options:

File: modules/gallery/controllers/admin_themes.php, line: 38

The old install was setup to a different theme but not for admin theme???

Site works - but obviously not "theme options"

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Posted: Wed, 2009-11-04 23:29

Did you copy the new code over the old code?
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hebhansen

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Posted: Thu, 2009-11-05 09:28

I moved up one folder level from root to gallery3. It was a clean install then moving var, themes into the new gallery3 folder. I ran the upgrader.

I picked the git at 8pm (GMT+1) around 14 hourst ago...

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hebhansen

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Posted: Thu, 2009-11-05 09:34

In theme options - Header Text - I entered an XML link to my logo: <img src="../../gallery3/graphic_folder/logo1_trans_150x31.png">

Works initially, when moving down in albums and then back to home, the logo does not re-aapear. As if img is missing??? Is that a space issue in home. Themers should take this into account. Same problem for default theme, as well as others available for G3

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hebhansen

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Posted: Thu, 2009-11-05 14:12

I added the line you mention to the wind/views/album.html

I still don't have access to changing themes. Same as above

The rows of albums and pics now cascade downwards to the right. I view in Chrome

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Posted: Thu, 2009-11-05 16:30

hebhansen, please reply to the other thread(s) you've already started about these issues.

Post a link to your site in those thread too. There is no need to keep posting about specific issues you are having in this thread.
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hebhansen

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Posted: Fri, 2009-11-06 15:13

Maybe I am not using the forum correctly. And I am not sure what you mean. Should I not post in this thread?

You mentioned, go through this page. I did, upgraded git to the day before yesterday. After that I can not change theme. I am stuck with default, which is so not nice. I added the line you mention above. Didn't work and cascaded the image rows in my gallery. This is the feed back thread for G3B3 right?

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hebhansen

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Posted: Fri, 2009-11-06 15:53

Feedback for G3 so far - concider for the wish List. Again not sure if this where it should go

G3 has a god fucus on a core as small and simple as possible. I have noticed around that people (coming from G2) want new stuff in core, which is then turned down because we all just need to get accustomed with adding modules on the fly. So far for me adding is painless!! Good job to the intial API and developers contributing with modules for G3.

The danger and backside is that a significant number of app's needs checking and upgrading along the way. People subscribe to module threads, core news etc etc.

I think it's time to concider how this can be managed smoothly.

My suggestion is the Drupal model:

- Dashboard could provide a list of core and added modules (only the ones active hence relevant to admin)
- In the list, the release and date of release is displayed
- Cell background in the list = Green
- When a release of core or active modules is registered at gallery.menalto.com, admin gets notified when logging in or by email
- Cron-jobs can run the check on a daily basis
- Cell background switch to yellow or red and says: new release available for this module
- Within the list in admin, there is a direct link to that page in question at gallery.menalto.com/release/core, module1, module2 etc (not threads or rapidshare.)
- Tars and Zip should present fx. "2009-10-24 G3 Official release 2.0 Module Gallery for iPhone" (ex: Drupal Module Views: http://drupal.org/project/views)
- Admin makes the decision wether to go for the new release or wait a while for stability
- Once upgraded the dashboard list turns back to green

This way we do not have to worry about upgrades, we get notified in the process

Another thing to address:

In the new environment Gallery should expect to be flooded with modules.... A quality review site woul be priceless to everyone new to Gallery.

Drupal does this:
http://drupalmodules.com/search/node/cck?page=3

- You may search for modules
- You may review modules and rate them in 4 categories
- You may browse highest rated, most downloaded or latest modules
- Again you are presented with a list of releases and dates, wich one is right for your Gallery G3.2, G4.5 or G7.2

Works like a charm and has helped me out big time. I predict getting the big picture in the gallery environment will be quite overwhelming in time, unless you grew with gallery as we do now

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hebhansen

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Posted: Fri, 2009-11-06 16:19

I am currently adding spanish, Norwegian and Sweedish languages to Gallery

The Flash status bar goes to 10% stops goes to 15%, jump back to 10 up to 15 jump back..... etc

Text below flickr between scanning and finding files. Unless the language update takes extremely long time, something is wrong in the Language Module/server access

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Posted: Fri, 2009-11-06 19:56

I just spent quite a while messing around with gallery3. I was getting the "Gallery XX is not writable error" with the message about setting my the FileInfo option. Turns out the problem was php Safe_Mode.

It would have been *REALLY* helpful if the message had mentioned safe mode needs to be Off.

Other than that I'm really loving how simple Gallery3 is to use.

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hebhansen

Joined: 2009-02-10
Posts: 151
Posted: Mon, 2009-11-09 13:31

Followup un the theme issue above - Line 38 something happened.

I had the 4-5 themes for G3 in my theme folder. I removed the custom themes from the site and now I can change themes normally from admin. Wind, Night-Wind and 3nids does not seem to mess things up. However, 3nids is not working properly in every aspect yet.

I assume the others are waiting for an update for the latest git.

In general G3 Core seems well under way from a user point of view. Adding Modules is really easy and my Gallery seems quite stable and speedy for now. I guess I have around 1000 images so far..

Translation is amazing. I finalized Danish with a few exeptions. I waiting for Spanish, German and French. So give it a go guys. Would be a great help.

all the best
HB

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nowsharing

Joined: 2008-08-08
Posts: 3
Posted: Thu, 2009-11-12 17:04

Gallery 3 is outstanding, you've all done an incredible job. When I first logged in and started playing around, it was easy to see how far the project has advanced. It's so intuitive and easy to use--in short I love it. Thanks to everyone involved.

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