Using module "Keyword Albums" or module “tags”? "tags" better?
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Dirkii
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Posted: Sat, 2008-08-23 12:18
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I have read here - http://gallery.menalto.com/node/70626 - that the module "Keyword Albums" (http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery2:Download#Modules) is better than the "tags" (http://codex.gallery2.org/Gallery2:User_Contributions#Modules) module. I do not quite understand this: isn`t it that the "Keyword Albums" module offers other options than the "tags" module for another range of use so both might be useful? Or are there big disadvantages of one of these modules? Both "Keyword Albums" and “tags” offer a field you can fill in keywords / tags. Is it possible just to add keywords to one single field used by both modules at the same time and not to add keywords to both fields offered by the modules? Nice greetings, Dirk
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I did not read that, I read: "the implementation of the keywords doesn't scale and the tags module does everything better.
keywords are obsolete and will be replaced with tags. use the tags module."
The tags module offerers more features.
The tags module will import your keywords. But, say you have a 100 items with keywords and you import them into the tags module it is done as a maint function.
Then if you add more keywords in the future you can import the keywords into the tags module, but it will also import the previous 100 again. That is the drawback to tags module.
Dave
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Thank you very much, Dave,
Okay, so I misinterpreted it.
I do not understand this, what does “scale” mean:
And why are keywords obsolete?
The keywords which are already added to the “Keywords” field in the tab “General” of “Edit Album”?
With the module "Keyword Albums" you can create various new albums (e.g. with all images which have the keyword “landscape”) and you can set links (e.g. "Landscapes") to them on any desired page. Is this possible to do with the “tags” module, also?
Many Thanks again, nice greetings, Dirk.
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Large numbers of entries.
Not necessarily obsolete, but eventually the plan is to use the tags module and not offer the keywords module. There will be some migration path for this.
Yes, as well as edit item.
Yes, Why not try it and see how it works.
Dave
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Many thanks Dave,
Oops, suddenly I do not receive an e-mail anymore informing of new posts, very strange.
Yes, you are right, I will go on trying these modules.
A very last question (or two or…): So as it seems, there is no need to use the “Keyword” module, but to use “tags” instead. Or is there any advantage the “Keyword” module offers the “tags” module doesn`t?
Nice greetings, Dirk.
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Same here. I will have it looked into.
not that I'm aware of. I bet there is but not a big deal. I have not used keywords in some time so can't offer a real opinion.
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Okay, thank you Dave,
So I will use the "tags" module.
Thanks for your help, Dirk.
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Keywords has quite a few advantages over tags:
tags aren't searchable from embedded search
keywords are fuzzier -- keyword "zombie" will turn up "zombie," "zombies," "zombie hunters," "Zombie," etc. Tags are case sensitive and specific.
you can concatenate keywords for filtering results -- with keywords, you can generate a keyword album for all things that include "zombie" and "monster"
You can also create keyword albums starting from pictures within an album, whereas tags albums will contain everything with that specific tag.
editing keywords is within the edit picture tabs. Edit tags is a totally different page.
Tags do have some fun features -- you can add tags in album view, tags will auto-populate as you type them. But be careful when selecting the auto-populated tag because you might end up with this non-tag by mistake:
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
I migrated from keywords to tags, sometimes I wish I could go back!
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-- David
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Really what should have been done with the Tags module is to make it basically a cached version of the Keywords field with added tag cloud support, etc. Then you wouldn't have to do a "import" from keywords to tags, etc. Any changes to tags would go into the keywords field, and any keyword field changes would be reflected in the tags. If I had time and didn't already have too many projects, I'd look at reworking it that way. The code is in SVN (I think under the gallery-contrib project in Sourceforge) if anyone wants to have a go...
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Support for the tags module has dropped and it needs a new maintainer to implement some the desired feature requests. I am glad the SiliconFiend has step up to the plate and is working on the Map module ( same original author), but saddly life gets in the way for all.
There was some progress on getting tagged albums to be dynamic. You could start with a tagged album that said for example 'Canada' and then click the dynamic cloud and "add" another tag so you could narrow your search. Sort of anding tags together.
Don't know what happened to that.
Dave
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cool!
Hopefully it will all be replaced with taxonomy... or at least, maybe galleries embedded into drupal would be...
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Thanks for your replies, there are really some big disadvantages, indeed.
So, you can migrate from the "Keywords" module to "tags", but not vice versa.
Are both keywords and tags searchable by search machines?
What would speak against it to use both tags and keywords?
Nice greetings, Dirk.
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Well, I didn't so much volunteer for the admin position... I just happened to be contributing and Termitenshort dropped off the face of the planet (but not before making me an admin in the SourceForge project, thankfully). Oh, well...
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Keywords and tags are both searchable by the gallery search feature, but tags are not searchable in the embedded version of the search, at least it isn't in the Drupal integration.
Using both tags and keywords would make an administrative mess, having to maintain both sets of data.
Actually, my gallery is quite the mess as over the years I have custom fields, keywords, and tags all enabled, so there's data all over the place!
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Thanks, rimbeaux,
Yes, that is plausible, so just one of them, but which one...
Ah sorry, I meant search engines like Google, but I assume tags and keywords will be found by them likewise.
Nice greetings, Dirk.
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