Gallery 2 vs. Coppermine question

willspiel

Joined: 2005-03-12
Posts: 4

Posted: Sat, 2005-03-12 09:26

Over the last week or so I've installed both Gallery 1 and some of the latest of Gallery 2. I really do enjoy Gallery 2, and think it will be an awesome deal to use. However, I find that it seems to be a little on the slow side. I understand some of the reasons why, and do not need to be reminded of those. I have been using Coppermine and find it to be much quicker loading. My question now is why does Coppermine load so much more quickly than Gallery 2 does? From what I understand (which might not be much at all...) both are database driven and work in very similar ways. Is it because of some of the features that make Gallery 2 a "better" system? I'm questioning this because after the time it takes to move around and set up everything in Gallery 2, I could have done much more in Coppermine, and because of that I am considering dropping my movement into Gallery and sticking with Coppermine.

I am using ImageMagick for both galleries, and am using the nightly build from 3/9/05 for Gallery 2.

Any replies or suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeremy

valiant

Joined: 2003-01-04
Posts: 32509

Posted: Sat, 2005-03-12 15:08

Install the last build of G2, from the nightly snapshots page (http://galleryupdates.jpmullan.com). G2's image downloads' speed has improved again considerably.

I don't know the coppermine codebase, but my guess is that it much more resembles phpbb than something like G2. I'm quite sure G2 is much more extensible, flexible, modular etc. than coppermine. And G2 is still in development, it's now the first beta release and performance hasn't been addressed thoroughly throughout the past development process. Once the functionality is there, the devs will work on improving performance more extensively.

bharat

Joined: 2002-05-21
Posts: 7994

Posted: Sat, 2005-03-12 22:11

I know very little about Coppermine's architecture, but from what I do know it is wholly different from G2. The two products bear no relation to each other except that they both use a database, which is a very superficial comparison. You could equally say that they both use a webserver and run on Linux. It doesn't tell you much about the product.

So, we've established that I can't speak for Coppermine. But I can tell you that the reasons why G2 is slow now is because have not spent that much time optimizing it yet. We've mainly focused on making sure that it has the right features and architecture to be a durable quality product. As we approach the end of the beta cycle we will focus less on adding features and tweaking the framework and will begin to focus more and more on making it run faster. In the meantime, we know that it's slow and we know some of the reasons why and we're going to live with those for now since optimizing too early increases development costs unnecessarily.

willspiel

Joined: 2005-03-12
Posts: 4

Posted: Sun, 2005-03-13 14:53

Thank You.

I had not considered that the speed of Gallery 2 was still under development. It does make sense. But being a non-developer I sure wasn't thinking down that path.

It is true that Gallery 2 is much more customizable and flexible (along with much more...) than Coppermine is. I had noticed that previously and was one big reason I was very much interested in Gallery 2.

After toying around last nite I was leaning more towards Gallery 2 anyways. Seems like now I'll be one of the many anticipating the end product.

Thanks for the input.

Jeremy

dellos

Joined: 2010-01-07
Posts: 7

Posted: Sat, 2010-01-09 00:44

Well, I'm using Coppermine for about 2years and it was quick for me. Now I wanted to move to the G2, on new system but the "Safe Mode = Off" restriction I won't be able to do that! Is the G3 also "Safe Mode = Off" type ? Well the Coppermine is maby less options, but the installation and operating is on the run, no problem's at all that can't say about G2, trying to install last 2hours, and nothing and I thin'k I wont be able to turn off Safe Mode.

nivekiam

Joined: 2002-12-10
Posts: 16504

Posted: Sat, 2010-01-09 04:56

Ah, always nice to revive such old posts...

You don't want to be on any host relying on un-"safe mode" for "security". Safe mode is a pointless hack and was never used as intended by the developers. That's why the people developing PHP have removed it from future versions.

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willspiel Joined: 2005-03-12 Posts: 4	Posted: Sat, 2005-03-12 09:26
	Over the last week or so I've installed both Gallery 1 and some of the latest of Gallery 2. I really do enjoy Gallery 2, and think it will be an awesome deal to use. However, I find that it seems to be a little on the slow side. I understand some of the reasons why, and do not need to be reminded of those. I have been using Coppermine and find it to be much quicker loading. My question now is why does Coppermine load so much more quickly than Gallery 2 does? From what I understand (which might not be much at all...) both are database driven and work in very similar ways. Is it because of some of the features that make Gallery 2 a "better" system? I'm questioning this because after the time it takes to move around and set up everything in Gallery 2, I could have done much more in Coppermine, and because of that I am considering dropping my movement into Gallery and sticking with Coppermine. I am using ImageMagick for both galleries, and am using the nightly build from 3/9/05 for Gallery 2. Any replies or suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Jeremy
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valiant Joined: 2003-01-04 Posts: 32509	Posted: Sat, 2005-03-12 15:08
	Install the last build of G2, from the nightly snapshots page (http://galleryupdates.jpmullan.com). G2's image downloads' speed has improved again considerably. I don't know the coppermine codebase, but my guess is that it much more resembles phpbb than something like G2. I'm quite sure G2 is much more extensible, flexible, modular etc. than coppermine. And G2 is still in development, it's now the first beta release and performance hasn't been addressed thoroughly throughout the past development process. Once the functionality is there, the devs will work on improving performance more extensively.

bharat Joined: 2002-05-21 Posts: 7994	Posted: Sat, 2005-03-12 22:11
	I know very little about Coppermine's architecture, but from what I do know it is wholly different from G2. The two products bear no relation to each other except that they both use a database, which is a very superficial comparison. You could equally say that they both use a webserver and run on Linux. It doesn't tell you much about the product. So, we've established that I can't speak for Coppermine. But I can tell you that the reasons why G2 is slow now is because have not spent that much time optimizing it yet. We've mainly focused on making sure that it has the right features and architecture to be a durable quality product. As we approach the end of the beta cycle we will focus less on adding features and tweaking the framework and will begin to focus more and more on making it run faster. In the meantime, we know that it's slow and we know some of the reasons why and we're going to live with those for now since optimizing too early increases development costs unnecessarily.

willspiel Joined: 2005-03-12 Posts: 4	Posted: Sun, 2005-03-13 14:53
	Thank You. I had not considered that the speed of Gallery 2 was still under development. It does make sense. But being a non-developer I sure wasn't thinking down that path. It is true that Gallery 2 is much more customizable and flexible (along with much more...) than Coppermine is. I had noticed that previously and was one big reason I was very much interested in Gallery 2. After toying around last nite I was leaning more towards Gallery 2 anyways. Seems like now I'll be one of the many anticipating the end product. Thanks for the input. Jeremy

dellos Joined: 2010-01-07 Posts: 7	Posted: Sat, 2010-01-09 00:44
	Well, I'm using Coppermine for about 2years and it was quick for me. Now I wanted to move to the G2, on new system but the "Safe Mode = Off" restriction I won't be able to do that! Is the G3 also "Safe Mode = Off" type ? Well the Coppermine is maby less options, but the installation and operating is on the run, no problem's at all that can't say about G2, trying to install last 2hours, and nothing and I thin'k I wont be able to turn off Safe Mode.

nivekiam Joined: 2002-12-10 Posts: 16504	Posted: Sat, 2010-01-09 04:56
	Ah, always nice to revive such old posts... You don't want to be on any host relying on un-"safe mode" for "security". Safe mode is a pointless hack and was never used as intended by the developers. That's why the people developing PHP have removed it from future versions. ____________________________________________ Like Gallery? Like the support? Donate now!!! See G2 live here

Gallery 2 vs. Coppermine question

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