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Roy Hunter

Joined: 2009-09-09
Posts: 4

Posted: Wed, 2009-09-09 21:36

I came to this forum to find information on incorporating Gallery2 in websites we develop, and themes that are available, because we are HUGE supporters of the open source initiative and to help promote Gallery but my forum account got deleted.

I would encourage the admin to look at our website and see the promotion we do for other open source products before deleting my account again. When we use your product, it will be mentioned in our website as we have for the others listed as a courtesy to you. If a user can not participate in the forum and thank those that are working hard then there is not much point supporting Gallery. Is that not what open source development is about????

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nivekiam

Joined: 2002-12-10
Posts: 16504

Posted: Thu, 2009-09-10 23:39

That was me, here's my explanation.

4 posts in less than 30 minutes that all basically stated, "Thanks" with links to your site = spam. 2 of which I recall were to posts several years old. So yes, I deleted your account and posts. I've deleted 100s of accounts over the years that have done the same. You're the first possibly non-spammer. And yes I visited your site, didn't scroll down though, just saw a marketing website as I've seen 1000s of times.

This forum is for supporting Gallery, not self-promotion. There is no need to dig up 2 and 3 year old threads and post a reply of "thanks" or "good point" to it. Especially serial posting like you did. It does nothing but spam the people who are still subscribed to those threads. Yes 2 of your posts were to threads made somewhat recently, but 2 was to the same thread that was quite old. That one pushed it over the top. 2 posts, made to the same thread I know it wasn't a "double-clicking" error because they were worded slightly differently.

It wastes support resources. I and a couple others read every single post on these forums and I had to read 4 posts all made in less than 30 minutes, none of which were asking for help or clarification or with any proof that you were trying to use Gallery.

Look at it from my standpoint, it looked like spam.

FYI: All links posted in these forums are tagged with rel="nofollow"

If you are in fact genuine post your questions, contribute by answering someone, but there really is no need to post "thanks" every time you find a thread that helps you out.
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nivekiam

Joined: 2002-12-10
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Posted: Fri, 2009-09-11 00:01

Here's a prime example:

http://gallery.menalto.com/node/71085#comment-320179

Content of post since I've deleted the account:

Quote:

Thanks for helping me with this. I've been looking for this problem. Got the nodes down pack, and it works just fine, thanks a lot.

Best Regards
Jay,
work at home blogger

The stuff in bold is a link to his site.
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alecmyers

Joined: 2006-08-01
Posts: 4342

Posted: Fri, 2009-09-11 08:32

I too have not the slightest hesitation in deleting any/all posts that say nothing but "thanks" and have a link to other sites.
I agree 100% with Nivekiam that the Gallery Forum is for information about the various Gallery projects and that off-site links have no place here whatsoever other than, for example, links to Gallery installations with which users are having problems.

Roy Hunter

Joined: 2009-09-09
Posts: 4

Posted: Tue, 2009-09-29 08:00

First of all, I did not come here to drop links in your "nofollow" forum. I came here to get information on Gallery. I have looked at a lot of posts in your forum that would be a better definition of spam than what I posted.

I am sorry that I happen to be a proprietor of a marketing company but had you taken the time to really look at our website you would see we are not your run of the mill company trying to promote or efforts by wasting time posting links in your forum for the sake of ZERO benefit.

I dont look at the age of the thread, I look at the subject. If you do not want 2 year old threads to "come to the surface" delete them. As far as posting 2 times in the same thread, people make mistakes and I thought my post did not post so I typed it out again. SORRY

Also, you have a complaint about people posting links in your forum for the sake of SEO I suggest you write a complaint to google and tell them you are tired of cleaning up posts in your form for the sake of obtaining rank in THEIR search results. They are the reason you get it in the first place.

However it is your forum and you can do what you see fit but you will not get any support from our company the way we support other open source initiatives. (to the tune of over $6,000 in donations to date this year alone).

I suggest you take a little less of a heavy handed approach to dealing with visitors. As a result you have managed to drive away someone who would have been a key supporter of gallery.

And if you are worried about wasting resources, host the forum with godaddy in an unlimited account for $15 a month. Then the only resources being wasted are theirs.

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alecmyers

Joined: 2006-08-01
Posts: 4342

Posted: Tue, 2009-09-29 10:13

Quote:

As a result you have managed to drive away someone who would have been a key supporter of gallery.

Supporters of Gallery of all shapes and sizes are very welcome here; but support has to be given voluntarily, not made conditional on the acceptance of promotion of marketing companies, or any other kind of quid pro quo.

oceco

Joined: 2007-10-22
Posts: 666

Posted: Tue, 2009-09-29 22:39

Hi g2team

thanks for your excellent job here in the forums and for the continued development of Gallery! Roy Hunter's goals are to obvious: That's definitly pure spam! Thanks for saving my resources (using godaddy wouldn't save _my_ resources). Keep going on with your excellent work in any respect! Many thanks again!!! (No won't post a link to my G2-installation here (the few I've made so far still do exist ;-))

Last but not least: This is the best maintained forum I'm aware of, also the documentation is outstanding and the SW is simply superb!!! I'm hoping you are not going to delete my account now [;-)] because I'm still trying to do my best to give something back to the community, mostly in the German forum. It's a petty that some people are unable to understand this simple mecanism. It works for the benefit for all. Just by reading the answers in the forums from the g2team I've benefited / learned a lot from you all.

@Roy Hunter: I also do promote G2 on my website (even without the G2-Logo on the bottom of my site) and via Google about 1/4 of my vistors search for slideshows and photo albums olthought the main topics of my site is sailing and the Caribbean (a Wiki). How does that come? When I set-up / debug the G2-websites of questionaires/clients for a G2-solution I ask them if they would mind to set a link to my G2-website. Most of them do it and don't delete it later. Think about it and especially about your marketing strategy (where is your value add beside stupid marketing slogans that even a kid woudn't believe).

Hey guys keep-up your good works and still kill those short-sighted spammers in our forums. If you really got an US$6'000 donation from him, use it to spend him an introductuary, low level course in "Introduction into Marketing"! But you only pay, if he presents afterwards a successfull completion of a worldwide acknowledged, diploma-like course for SEO with at least 5 successfull account aquisitions in the Fortune 500 range! I'm quite sure he will fail!
But just in case they have already the aformentioned qualifications and they really spend US$6'000, we should carefully listen to them as we could really benefit from them, but this is, in my opinion, very unlikly. If so, reduce them to the max: It's simply spam!
No, let's be serious now. If they really spend US$6'000 for the Gallery2 community they should be able to prove that, and I guess the community will fully and happily support them (at least me), if they can prove that. Do we know what we have to do with US$6'000 bucks? I guess some ideas will pop up in no time. Did they say what they want for it? If not, I guess this mentioned donation is a fake! But I'm quite shure that the Blogosphere will allow me to draw a quite clear picture about this 'company'. I'll keep you updated.

rgds/oceco

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floridave

Joined: 2003-12-22
Posts: 27300

Posted: Wed, 2009-09-30 02:35

oceco, Thanks, it is posts like your that make a bad day go better.
Keep up the work you are providing to our users. Contributions like yours are more valuable than financial contributions.

Dave
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Roy Hunter Joined: 2009-09-09 Posts: 4	Posted: Wed, 2009-09-09 21:36
	I came to this forum to find information on incorporating Gallery2 in websites we develop, and themes that are available, because we are HUGE supporters of the open source initiative and to help promote Gallery but my forum account got deleted. I would encourage the admin to look at our website and see the promotion we do for other open source products before deleting my account again. When we use your product, it will be mentioned in our website as we have for the others listed as a courtesy to you. If a user can not participate in the forum and thank those that are working hard then there is not much point supporting Gallery. Is that not what open source development is about???? Spam link here removed by moderator
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nivekiam Joined: 2002-12-10 Posts: 16504	Posted: Thu, 2009-09-10 23:39
	That was me, here's my explanation. 4 posts in less than 30 minutes that all basically stated, "Thanks" with links to your site = spam. 2 of which I recall were to posts several years old. So yes, I deleted your account and posts. I've deleted 100s of accounts over the years that have done the same. You're the first possibly non-spammer. And yes I visited your site, didn't scroll down though, just saw a marketing website as I've seen 1000s of times. This forum is for supporting Gallery, not self-promotion. There is no need to dig up 2 and 3 year old threads and post a reply of "thanks" or "good point" to it. Especially serial posting like you did. It does nothing but spam the people who are still subscribed to those threads. Yes 2 of your posts were to threads made somewhat recently, but 2 was to the same thread that was quite old. That one pushed it over the top. 2 posts, made to the same thread I know it wasn't a "double-clicking" error because they were worded slightly differently. It wastes support resources. I and a couple others read every single post on these forums and I had to read 4 posts all made in less than 30 minutes, none of which were asking for help or clarification or with any proof that you were trying to use Gallery. Look at it from my standpoint, it looked like spam. FYI: All links posted in these forums are tagged with rel="nofollow" If you are in fact genuine post your questions, contribute by answering someone, but there really is no need to post "thanks" every time you find a thread that helps you out. ____________________________________________ Like Gallery? Like the support? Donate now!!! See G2 live here

nivekiam Joined: 2002-12-10 Posts: 16504	Posted: Fri, 2009-09-11 00:01
	Here's a prime example: http://gallery.menalto.com/node/71085#comment-320179 Content of post since I've deleted the account: Quote: Thanks for helping me with this. I've been looking for this problem. Got the nodes down pack, and it works just fine, thanks a lot. Best Regards Jay, work at home blogger The stuff in bold is a link to his site. ____________________________________________ Like Gallery? Like the support? Donate now!!! See G2 live here

alecmyers Joined: 2006-08-01 Posts: 4342	Posted: Fri, 2009-09-11 08:32
	I too have not the slightest hesitation in deleting any/all posts that say nothing but "thanks" and have a link to other sites. I agree 100% with Nivekiam that the Gallery Forum is for information about the various Gallery projects and that off-site links have no place here whatsoever other than, for example, links to Gallery installations with which users are having problems.

Roy Hunter Joined: 2009-09-09 Posts: 4	Posted: Tue, 2009-09-29 08:00
	First of all, I did not come here to drop links in your "nofollow" forum. I came here to get information on Gallery. I have looked at a lot of posts in your forum that would be a better definition of spam than what I posted. I am sorry that I happen to be a proprietor of a marketing company but had you taken the time to really look at our website you would see we are not your run of the mill company trying to promote or efforts by wasting time posting links in your forum for the sake of ZERO benefit. I dont look at the age of the thread, I look at the subject. If you do not want 2 year old threads to "come to the surface" delete them. As far as posting 2 times in the same thread, people make mistakes and I thought my post did not post so I typed it out again. SORRY Also, you have a complaint about people posting links in your forum for the sake of SEO I suggest you write a complaint to google and tell them you are tired of cleaning up posts in your form for the sake of obtaining rank in THEIR search results. They are the reason you get it in the first place. However it is your forum and you can do what you see fit but you will not get any support from our company the way we support other open source initiatives. (to the tune of over $6,000 in donations to date this year alone). I suggest you take a little less of a heavy handed approach to dealing with visitors. As a result you have managed to drive away someone who would have been a key supporter of gallery. And if you are worried about wasting resources, host the forum with godaddy in an unlimited account for $15 a month. Then the only resources being wasted are theirs. spam link deleted by moderator

alecmyers Joined: 2006-08-01 Posts: 4342	Posted: Tue, 2009-09-29 10:13
	Quote: As a result you have managed to drive away someone who would have been a key supporter of gallery. Supporters of Gallery of all shapes and sizes are very welcome here; but support has to be given voluntarily, not made conditional on the acceptance of promotion of marketing companies, or any other kind of quid pro quo.

oceco Joined: 2007-10-22 Posts: 666	Posted: Tue, 2009-09-29 22:39
	Hi g2team thanks for your excellent job here in the forums and for the continued development of Gallery! Roy Hunter's goals are to obvious: That's definitly pure spam! Thanks for saving my resources (using godaddy wouldn't save _my_ resources). Keep going on with your excellent work in any respect! Many thanks again!!! (No won't post a link to my G2-installation here (the few I've made so far still do exist ;-)) Last but not least: This is the best maintained forum I'm aware of, also the documentation is outstanding and the SW is simply superb!!! I'm hoping you are not going to delete my account now [;-)] because I'm still trying to do my best to give something back to the community, mostly in the German forum. It's a petty that some people are unable to understand this simple mecanism. It works for the benefit for all. Just by reading the answers in the forums from the g2team I've benefited / learned a lot from you all. @Roy Hunter: I also do promote G2 on my website (even without the G2-Logo on the bottom of my site) and via Google about 1/4 of my vistors search for slideshows and photo albums olthought the main topics of my site is sailing and the Caribbean (a Wiki). How does that come? When I set-up / debug the G2-websites of questionaires/clients for a G2-solution I ask them if they would mind to set a link to my G2-website. Most of them do it and don't delete it later. Think about it and especially about your marketing strategy (where is your value add beside stupid marketing slogans that even a kid woudn't believe). Hey guys keep-up your good works and still kill those short-sighted spammers in our forums. If you really got an US$6'000 donation from him, use it to spend him an introductuary, low level course in "Introduction into Marketing"! But you only pay, if he presents afterwards a successfull completion of a worldwide acknowledged, diploma-like course for SEO with at least 5 successfull account aquisitions in the Fortune 500 range! I'm quite sure he will fail! But just in case they have already the aformentioned qualifications and they really spend US$6'000, we should carefully listen to them as we could really benefit from them, but this is, in my opinion, very unlikly. If so, reduce them to the max: It's simply spam! No, let's be serious now. If they really spend US$6'000 for the Gallery2 community they should be able to prove that, and I guess the community will fully and happily support them (at least me), if they can prove that. Do we know what we have to do with US$6'000 bucks? I guess some ideas will pop up in no time. Did they say what they want for it? If not, I guess this mentioned donation is a fake! But I'm quite shure that the Blogosphere will allow me to draw a quite clear picture about this 'company'. I'll keep you updated. rgds/oceco __________________________________________ For support please post the following information: Site-Admin -> Maintenance -> System-Info and link to phpinfo()

floridave Joined: 2003-12-22 Posts: 27300	Posted: Wed, 2009-09-30 02:35
	oceco, Thanks, it is posts like your that make a bad day go better. Keep up the work you are providing to our users. Contributions like yours are more valuable than financial contributions. Dave _____________________________________________ Blog & G2 \|\| floridave - Gallery Team

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